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gwendolyngrace ([personal profile] gwendolyngrace) wrote in [community profile] alt_fen2015-09-02 03:53 pm

Changing Courses in the Alternity-verse....

Aliethen asked:
Can you give us a sense of (a few of the) plots which were surprises but worked really well in the end? For example I always had the impression that Terry/Hermione was supposed to be endgame at first but Draco/Hermione ended up evolving organically...was I right? (Was it even known at first that Draco would be in the Order in the end?) Did you always know Harry and Neville would die?


I felt like that sort of thing deserves its own thread, so here. Discuss!
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Speaking as Draco's player

[personal profile] reenie 2015-09-02 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh good question. I'm going to copypasta some of my words from an earlier post, and then elaborate:

Draco began as a snotty little shit, of course. Harry was actually quite clueless, as well. But with so many forces trying to pull Harry away, toward rebellion (Sirius, Hermione, then Snape), I knew that Draco would either follow, or totally turn away from Harry and all that he stood for. For many years I did not know if he would be a part of the Order. But Harry and Draco's bond remained so strong (and was strengthened by the addition of Hermione) that I did not see how Draco could abandon him. In a way, this is what he had been trained to do since childhood: always stand by Harry.

The fact that Harry always stuck by Draco meant that Draco followed (followed while trying to lead, mind you)...but he went dragging his feet, that's for sure! And then he had to encounter his own prejudices, and work through the self-loathing that followed.

I can honestly say that if Draco had NOT become a fugitive at the end of Y6, he may not have been able to complete his journey into a full-fledged, 100% committed member of the Order.

Draco/Hermione was not planned, and for some time I thought it might even be an unrequited, one-sided situation. I was aware that Flourish, Hermione's original player, was attracted to the idea of that pairing, but that was so early on, where I couldn't even fathom Draco/Hermione happening.

I started to think differently around the time that Draco and Pansy were dating. Something about the pairing didn't click for me - this is NOT any sort of criticism of Pansy, mind! But I realized that Pansy was not the person who was going to push Draco to be anyone other than himself. She embraced his every flaw and didn't judge him, much like she did with Lucius.

And then Gwen took over for Hermione and made her a bit more crisp and aggressive. She and Draco started locking heads a lot and it hit me that THIS was what Draco needed. He needed someone to call him on his bullshit. Harry wouldn't do it. Pansy wouldn't do it. But a muggleborn dared to.

At first it annoyed him, but Hermione was so clever and SMARTER than him that in time he started to value her opinion, even if he didn't show it.

And it was all downhill from there! But yeah, I didn't really ever know if Hermione would ever return his feelings. There were so many issues of power imbalance to navigate, for starters. And the whole "forbidden" aspect, as well. If they had both remained at Hogwarts for Y7, I am quite sure it would not have happened.
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[personal profile] naomikritzer 2015-09-02 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Of the ships my characters were in:

1. Bill/Rachel was in fact planned from the first introduction of Rachel. We had intended there to be a longer buildup before sparks flew, but Rachel was definitely a character who took on a personality of her own extremely quickly as I thought through her personality. I knew at the outset, though Peg didn't, that she was the daughter of the Auror described by Sirius in his Grim Truth when Dolohov arrived. We both knew that she was in Dogstar, but had to roleplay the conversation when they met at the muggle camp. (On pondering it, I decided that she would try to recruit him.)

2. Ron/Sally-Anne was entirely organic. But worked for both me and Deb. Ron, clearly, likes very smart girls who are somewhat snotty to him.

3. Seamus/Jason was organic but swift!

4. Remus/Sirius was planned, I think, before I took Remus over, there were some odd twists and turns, and we had to struggle a bit to make it happen. They're kind of an OTP for both Gwen and me, though, so we really wanted it to happen.

Of other plots, some were intensively planned a long way in advance, others were organic or spontaneous. It took us a very long time to work out how Harry would defeat Voldemort -- so no, his death was not always planned, nor Neville's. Sometimes we planned stuff out and then had to rethink it. I'll try to think of some good examples.

None of my characters were marked for death from the start (though Harry was at the point I started playing him) although I remember saying that Corax was such a raging asshole that if someone wanted to kill him, they should consider him fair game.
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Speaking as Daphne's player

[personal profile] reenie 2015-09-02 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I did not originally know that Daphne was going to die or join the Order.

At some point - two years ago, I think? - I had the realization that Daphne was the sort of person who would fall in love with someone awful, someone who would hurt her badly or kil her. That she really had not learned enough from her experience with Barney Bole. She was convinced that there was good in everyone, and that any "bad" they possessed was due to mistreatment of some kind.

I kept joking that she should date Barty Crouch Jr. and then be killed by him, based on the fact that she'd had such an obvious crush on him in Y3. I didn't really expect it would happen, but then some things fell into place that made it possible.
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[personal profile] synecdochic 2015-09-02 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
One thing that really surprised me was this summer, with the Inferi plot.

We'd established (oh boy had we established) that Tosha thought Inferi were shambling abominations -- a wrongness so great that having to work with them on Voldemort's orders weighed on him for a very long time. But when somebody (I think it was Deb) proposed that the remaining Death Eaters go for Inferi as a plan to try to up their numbers quickly, I found myself immediately thinking OH YES YES, and it took me a second to realize why I was so enthusiastic for the idea: that it could show just how desperate they were, and as an example of Tosha being willing to compromise his principles when he had to because of previous choices (and when Barty asked him to -- there was very little he would not do for Barty).

One of the things I came up with early on with Tosha was his personal definition (fairly idiosyncratic in-universe, but a guiding character principle for me in writing him) of the Dark Arts, namely: the Dark Arts are the category of spells that have some long-lasting effect on you/require the caster to pay some kind of price. Some of them are pretty obvious: they temporarily weaken you, they make you have to spend days recovering, they have long-term physical effects that take a very long time to manifest -- but some of them are more subtle. A lot of the Dark Arts Tosha uses are of the sort where the price is "the price of getting what you want is getting what you thought you wanted", or "the price of casting this spell is that it turns you into the sort of person who would cast this spell".

So there Tosha is, and the only thing anyone could come up with was for them to do something he found anathema. And because he believes in not ducking his prices, and because he understands that sometimes consequence makes you do things you hate, he did it. And it cost him Barty.
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[personal profile] synecdochic 2015-09-02 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, the circumstances of Snape's membership in the Order, and his backstory, was kind of a case of changing courses, although mostly it was brought about by changes in players!

I took over Snape in November (I think) of Y5, and got him with a few things already established, but I realized when I looked it over that it had never been established precisely why he'd been put into Azkaban, or why he would be willing to work with the Order. I thought about it a bit and decided that I wanted Snape to have seen through the Death Eaters at Lily's death, just like in canon, and to have come over to the Order before Azkaban, with Dumbledore as his handler -- and the only person who knew that he was a member of the Order. (Which helped to retroactively explain why Albus showed up just long enough to go "no, swear him and Macnair in" without elaborating! Which I believe at the time was "we want to get them in the Order but can't figure out how the Order would ever trust them", although I wasn't there for it.) He could have revealed that he was already an Order member there, but he's so proud and so prickly that he'd rather have them suspect him for a long damn time than tell anyone what his motives had been.

Alice was so furious at Dumbledore when she found out, oh my god.

He had intended to keep that secret to his grave, and he said as such several times, but when Draco was tapped for Who Wants To Be A Death Eater, Snape realized he had to tell Draco the truth. (If for no other reason than their Occlumency lessons would be of a far more intense version than the other kids got -- the other kids he was just teaching to shut people out of their minds, while Draco he was teaching to construct plausible mindscapes that V would not see through -- and there was a good chance Draco would see some bleedthrough. But also because he wanted to give Draco as much as he could in the way of preparation, and part of that was sharing his own experiences and his own change of heart.) And eventually he realized that there was some information in there that Alice needed to know, strategically, and so he told her. And eventually after that, he realized that his story could maybe be a good inspiration to the other DEs, and they were at the point where maybe if they got one or two more defections it could really turn the tide, and he made his big last public confession in the form of the message to the other Death Eaters. (I was SO GLAD I got a chance to write that before he died!)

But boy, did it surprise me!
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[personal profile] stormyhearted 2015-09-02 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Were there any characters who were originally slated to die but were spared, like canon Arthur?
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[personal profile] pegkerr 2015-09-03 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
As Terry's player, I would have been willing to have Terry/Hermione evolve, but it wasn't ever discussed between us, really, that I can remember. It just...didn't happen. But I get the impression that it was more of a resistance on Hermione's part (or Hermione's player's part) than on Terry's part (or mine). But oddly enough, it just didn't really come up between us.

Even more, I wanted Bill/Tonks to happen. But then Denise joined the game and Charlie stole her heart away. ;-)

Which was good, actually! Interesting character development, and it emphasized his loneliness, which made an excellent set up for Bill/Rachel.

I think we settled on Harry dying much sooner than figuring out what the hell Neville's fate would be, because we were clear early on that Harry didn't have a curse scar and so that he didn't have that tie with Voldemort anchoring him to the world.

I think I tried to keep an open mind on Neville. And then by year 7, the idea was that he would have his mind broken, so it would be an inversion of canon. But the original idea was that they'd get him back, and he would live out his life in St Mungo's, as his parents did in canon.

It was only AFTER his mind was broken, and we were trying to hammer out the plot for how Voldemort would die, that we decided Neville would die as well. It was partly because I liked the balance that if Harry died in Alternity, Neville should too. And it was, IIRC correctly, not until the week before May 16 that we figured out WHY he would die: his death was required for the ritual to transfer Voldemort's soul to Harry's body.