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 Someone, I believe [personal profile] cheyinka , said something in a previous thread about the person code-named" Cinderella" that made me think.  The book we're following is called the Half Blood Prince.  Wonder if Cinderella is someone who fits Snape's role in that?  Maybe it doesn't mean royalty, but blood status.  Someone who emphasizes their pureblood half.  Has to be high status pureblood too, to fit the princess aspect.

So we know this person is female.  

What else do we know?  

I think the candidates to be Cinderella were Sinistra, Grubbly-Plank, and possibly Acton.  Did I miss anyone?

I'd really like to know what you guys think on this, as I suspect I'm missing something. 

long comment solely to provide context

Date: 2014-04-10 10:43 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Dolohov wrote: "Was able to have long conversations with Hypatia and Eggman, neither of whom strike me as anything other than what they purport to be, and plenty of time with Cinderella. Am still not sure about her."

I commented: "Eggman seems likely to be Slughorn; if it isn't I suppose it could be Brutka, which would be hilarious. Hypatia seems likely to be Sinistra. Who might Dolohov have spent "plenty of time" with?"

[personal profile] ladyrelaynie replied: "It makes sense for Hypatia to be Sinistra, though she could also be Cinderella (married Raz)."

And that prompted the comment of mine quoted in the OP: "If Cinderella is someone who "married royalty" (rather than being a mistreated princess, or a servant, or having a noteworthy stepmother or godmother), it doesn't make sense for it to be Sinistra, since Dolohov is "still not sure about her." On the other hand, no one else at Hogwarts is married."

(For completeness, [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com said, "My only speculation is Cinderella could be Grubbly-Plank. It's a real stretch, but Cinders was grubbing around in the ashes. and ashes come from wood, thus Plank.")

a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-10 11:19 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Brutka, Slughorn, Binns, and Milland are hes, not shes, and in any event Slughorn is almost certainly Eggman. Binns is unlikely to be worthy of a pseudonym since he's a ghost.

It is unlikely to be Minerva or Sprout: Minerva is almost certainly either Sophia or Iphigenia, and Sprout is almost certainly Mary-Quite-Contrary.

This leaves quite a list:
Gwyndolen Acton
Bathseba Babbling
Cordelia Carpenter
Wilhelma Grubbly-Plank
Rolanda Hooch
Irma Pince
Poppy Pomfrey
Aurora Sinistra
Septima Vector

I don't think Babbling, Carpenter, Hooch, or Pince have been mentioned at all this year, even in passing. Since Cinderella is narratively important enough to get mentioned, that seems to leave:

Gwyndolen Acton
Wilhelma Grubbly-Plank
Poppy Pomfrey
Aurora Sinistra
Septima Vector

I am fairly sure that Sinistra is not a half-blood; I'm not certain about the rest but I would be surprised to learn that any of the teachers were, honestly.

Re: long comment solely to provide context

Date: 2014-04-10 11:20 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
I don't think so - it was noteworthy for Sinistra and Raz to marry, and if that was only because they were both teachers and both living at the castle, you'd still think Grubbly-Plank would have been mentioned.

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-10 11:44 pm (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
If Minerva is Sophia, we only know that she's been "burning the candle at both ends", not who she associates with.

The Fox is probably not Poppy; the Fox is "a rather newer addition", which suggests Milland, Brutka, or Grubbly-Plank. So that no one else has to replicate the work I just did, Grubbly-Plank became the Care of Magical Creatures teacher in September 2011.

Obviously Grubbly-Plank can't be both Cinderella and the Fox, though. (Much like Minerva can't be both Sophia and Iphigenia.)

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 01:10 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] adeliej
If I remember correctly, there was a bit of talk (between Narcissa and Sinistra, I think?) about how Sinistra's family *didn't* have a tapestry, although as far as everyone knows she's a pureblood. So she could possibly be a halfblood, though I'd be quite surprised if she is.

ETA: this all was said at the time of the wedding in a private message, I think.
Edited Date: 2014-04-11 01:12 am (UTC)

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
I believe Siz worried when Minerva first mentioned the Tapestry that they might not have one, but later found out that they did.
Although her Mum might have had to re acquire it from an awkward relative.

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
Gah! I meant Narcissa not Minerva

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 01:26 am (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Right, but I can't think of anyone who Dolohov would consider new except Milland, Brutka, and Grubbly-Plank - Raz started teaching after Alternity began but I can't imagine Dolohov dismissing Raz so casually, and aside from those four, has anyone started teaching since the game started?

Nothing would suggest Poppy as Cinderella specifically - I don't think she's a half-blood, I don't think her name lends itself to Cinderella as a pun, and I don't think she has a noteworthy stepmother or godmother - but nothing excludes her specifically, which is why I kept her on the list of possibilities.

I do think she's excluded as the Fox, because she's not remotely a newer addition, but I don't think that makes her more likely to be Cinderella (or Eggman, Hypatia, Sophia, or Iphigenia).

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 01:30 am (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
For crackpot theory of the day:

Cinderella → a servant → a broom → flying teacher → Hooch

(No, I don't think this is likely! Just funny.)

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
http://alt-sinistra.dreamwidth.org/37901.html?thread=320013#cmt320013
Mentions the tapestry.

While finding the reference, I found a couple of things.
Sinistra lent Antonin a book about hypatia , I noticed.

And given Actons history of chasing Antonin and Raz, would they call her a Fox? I doubt it :)

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
I like the way your mind works :)

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
I have another mad one.

Cinderella > Slipper and the Rose > Red flower > Poppy
Or even Rose Red


Anyone want to add any other far out guesses?

Date: 2014-04-11 02:11 am (UTC)
stormyhearted: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stormyhearted
What if the name isn't a reference to her blood status, but her occupation? Who spends a lot of time cleaning up after other people? It could be Poppy- Tosha mentions to Barty in a recent post that with Sally-Anne they'll have a healer they can trust, and I'm not sure why Tosha wouldn't trust Poppy after she saved his life and Cedric's without reason.

Date: 2014-04-11 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
Ok I have changed my mind.

Cordelia Carpenter is CINDERELLA !

How could I have missed it?

Cordelia is the youngest daughter in King Lear, with her unpleasant sisters, Goneril and Reagan.

Date: 2014-04-11 02:26 am (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
It's not that he doesn't trust Poppy - she saved his life and inadvertantly let him see how she was doing so! - but Dolohov's plan is to have Sally-Anne in his debt and thus willing to treat Dolohov et al privately, with no one else having to know they were ever even injured, much less being able to interfere with their care, the way various goons from St. Mungo's interfered with Poppy.

Date: 2014-04-11 02:48 am (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Hmm. I dunno - without looking, I couldn't tell you what subject Cordelia Carpenter taught, or anything about her, which would make her a weird choice of reference, and King Lear's daughters were all full siblings to each other.

Unless you meant this one as seriously as I meant mine earlier, in which case disregard :D

Date: 2014-04-11 03:15 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I just think its a name reference, they seem to be using historical, and mythological allusions and professions and names seem to be the key.

Goneril and Regan may not have been Cordelia'sstep sisters but they were ugly sisters.

Date: 2014-04-11 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
Still me.

The Cinderella/ King Lear link is often made in literary circles. Try googling the terms together.

I just think Antonin is an intelligent, educated man and the literary/ mythology links are more likely to be true because they fit more with his character, rather than crude puns.

Now if the players were writing Sirius creating sobriquet for the characters, it could be much more worrying to resolve :)

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
Carpenter > walrus > eggman.
Via Alice in Wonderland and the Beatles.
I'd never have thought of this if others hadn't commented on Slughorns resemblance to a walrus.

At this rate we are going to come up with a plausible way to link each alias to all the possible characters. My head is spinning.
cheyinka: A Metroid from Metroid Prime, made to look like an old, faded photograph. (faded Metroid)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Sophia is Irma Pince, because library - knowledge - wisdom - Sophia.
Sophia is Septima, because Septima is the only female teacher whose name starts with S.
Sophia is Aurora, because aurora - sunrise - golden hour - gold - wisdom is golden - Sophia
Sophia is Grubbly-Plank, because magical creatures - blast-ended skrewt - burning the candle at both ends
Sophia is Acton, because Gwendolen - "holy ring" - church with domes - Hagia Sophia

...I'm stumped for Poppy, though.

Date: 2014-04-11 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
The alias that really gets me is Iphigenia. A woman chosen to be sacrificed to compensate for another's act. In some versions she lives, in others she dies.
I can't find any other meaning or nuance.
Minerva seems an obvious candidate but surely no one else can be Sophia.

So can any one else fit? I am lost.

Re: a comment with actual commentary

Date: 2014-04-11 04:01 am (UTC)
teceler: foamy wavelets--default (Default)
From: [personal profile] teceler
Well, he says:

"I have been concentrating on those who were contemporaneous with the eponymous Phoenix."

and then later: "Mary-Quite-Contrary and the Fox are two of the staff she is most charitable towards; they are likely the best place to begin, even if the Fox is a rather newer addition."

So anyone who became staff after the Voldemort took over probably qualifies.
Edited (clarity) Date: 2014-04-11 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
Sophia means wisdom> Zeus personally gave birth to both Athena, goddess of wisdom and Dionysus> Dionysus has been depicted with a crown of opium Poppies > Poppy Pomfrey

Date: 2014-04-11 04:07 am (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Yeah, that's what's been bugging me. I'm convinced Minerva is Iphigenia - especially since Iphigenia is shunning most of the staff but notably not Sprout - but then who is Sophia?

Ironically, given my inability to find a funny way to link Sophia and Poppy, "burning the candle at both ends" and being unwilling to discuss anything other than "administrivia" could fit Poppy, and she was contemporaneous with Dumbledore.
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
I have just discovered that Brutkasten means incubator in German.

Dolohov is a master of many languages. Could Brutka be the Eggman?
cheyinka: A Metroid from Metroid Prime, made to look like an old, faded photograph. (faded Metroid)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
Binns is a ghost, made of ectoplasm, which someone might mispronounce egg-toe-plaz-um. Case closed!

Date: 2014-04-11 04:20 am (UTC)
cheyinka: A blob of green wax with a Metroid stamped into it. (wax seal)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
or, okay, this is almost-certainly another crackpot theory, but in Proverbs 9:2 Wisdom personified is described as having prepared meat and wine for her guests - nourishment and medicine, perhaps?
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From: [personal profile] alt_player
This thread wins forever and ever.

~ the player who came up with most of the code names
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
Thank you for the hours of fun we are getting from this.
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
Foxes are red, so are Poppies. I rest my case.

Brutka is a redhead so is a Fox. Need I say more?

Bathsheba married David and gave birth to Solomon, widely considered the wisest ruler, hence the book of Wisdom.
She is therefore the mother of Wisdom > Sophia

Irma Pince > I am Prince (ss)> Cinderella

Date: 2014-04-11 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
Now I've started I'm finding crazy ideas everywhere.
But I can't come up with a single sane option.
From: [identity profile] ellemir.livejournal.com
A Slug horn is a musical instrument like a trumpet or possibly an oboe, And Fox make world class wind instruments.

A slughorn is an ancient war cry and Acton is a type of armour they must be meant for each other?

Sorry, I forgot what game I was playing ;)
cheyinka: A Metroid from Metroid Prime, made to look like an old, faded photograph. (faded Metroid)
From: [personal profile] cheyinka
The puzzle wins forever and ever plus ever, so there! :D

Date: 2014-04-12 12:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] worthywords
She teaches Charms! Makes you think of Prince Charming?

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