Who is Cinderella?
Apr. 10th, 2014 05:17 pm Someone, I believe
cheyinka , said something in a previous thread about the person code-named" Cinderella" that made me think. The book we're following is called the Half Blood Prince. Wonder if Cinderella is someone who fits Snape's role in that? Maybe it doesn't mean royalty, but blood status. Someone who emphasizes their pureblood half. Has to be high status pureblood too, to fit the princess aspect.
So we know this person is female.
What else do we know?
I think the candidates to be Cinderella were Sinistra, Grubbly-Plank, and possibly Acton. Did I miss anyone?
I'd really like to know what you guys think on this, as I suspect I'm missing something.
So we know this person is female.
What else do we know?
I think the candidates to be Cinderella were Sinistra, Grubbly-Plank, and possibly Acton. Did I miss anyone?
I'd really like to know what you guys think on this, as I suspect I'm missing something.
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Date: 2014-04-10 10:43 pm (UTC)I commented: "Eggman seems likely to be Slughorn; if it isn't I suppose it could be Brutka, which would be hilarious. Hypatia seems likely to be Sinistra. Who might Dolohov have spent "plenty of time" with?"
And that prompted the comment of mine quoted in the OP: "If Cinderella is someone who "married royalty" (rather than being a mistreated princess, or a servant, or having a noteworthy stepmother or godmother), it doesn't make sense for it to be Sinistra, since Dolohov is "still not sure about her." On the other hand, no one else at Hogwarts is married."
(For completeness,
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Date: 2014-04-10 11:03 pm (UTC)Wonder if Grubbly-Plank is married.
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Date: 2014-04-10 11:19 pm (UTC)It is unlikely to be Minerva or Sprout: Minerva is almost certainly either Sophia or Iphigenia, and Sprout is almost certainly Mary-Quite-Contrary.
This leaves quite a list:
Gwyndolen Acton
Bathseba Babbling
Cordelia Carpenter
Wilhelma Grubbly-Plank
Rolanda Hooch
Irma Pince
Poppy Pomfrey
Aurora Sinistra
Septima Vector
I don't think Babbling, Carpenter, Hooch, or Pince have been mentioned at all this year, even in passing. Since Cinderella is narratively important enough to get mentioned, that seems to leave:
Gwyndolen Acton
Wilhelma Grubbly-Plank
Poppy Pomfrey
Aurora Sinistra
Septima Vector
I am fairly sure that Sinistra is not a half-blood; I'm not certain about the rest but I would be surprised to learn that any of the teachers were, honestly.
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Date: 2014-04-10 11:20 pm (UTC)Re: a comment with actual commentary
Date: 2014-04-10 11:32 pm (UTC)If McGonagall is Iphigenia/Sophia, she supposedly doesn't shun two people: Mary-Quite-Contrary and the Fox. As you say, MQC is probably Sprout, so maybe the Fox is Poppy? And if that's the case, Cinderella could only be either Grubbly-Plank, Acton, or Vector.
My money's on Grubbly-Plank for Cinderella, honestly.
Hmm. This game has more twists and turns than a pile of spaghetti.
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Date: 2014-04-10 11:44 pm (UTC)The Fox is probably not Poppy; the Fox is "a rather newer addition", which suggests Milland, Brutka, or Grubbly-Plank. So that no one else has to replicate the work I just did, Grubbly-Plank became the Care of Magical Creatures teacher in September 2011.
Obviously Grubbly-Plank can't be both Cinderella and the Fox, though. (Much like Minerva can't be both Sophia and Iphigenia.)
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Date: 2014-04-11 01:10 am (UTC)ETA: this all was said at the time of the wedding in a private message, I think.
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Date: 2014-04-11 01:18 am (UTC)As for Cinderella, what would suggest that it's Poppy more than Grubbly-Plank? I can't think of any connection.
Unless she's a Half-Blood Pomfrey? Pomfrey being in the same position as Prince in canon: the name of the more respectable side of the family.
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Date: 2014-04-11 01:24 am (UTC)Although her Mum might have had to re acquire it from an awkward relative.
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Date: 2014-04-11 01:25 am (UTC)Re: a comment with actual commentary
Date: 2014-04-11 01:26 am (UTC)Nothing would suggest Poppy as Cinderella specifically - I don't think she's a half-blood, I don't think her name lends itself to Cinderella as a pun, and I don't think she has a noteworthy stepmother or godmother - but nothing excludes her specifically, which is why I kept her on the list of possibilities.
I do think she's excluded as the Fox, because she's not remotely a newer addition, but I don't think that makes her more likely to be Cinderella (or Eggman, Hypatia, Sophia, or Iphigenia).
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Date: 2014-04-11 01:30 am (UTC)Cinderella → a servant → a broom → flying teacher → Hooch
(No, I don't think this is likely! Just funny.)
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Date: 2014-04-11 01:58 am (UTC)Mentions the tapestry.
While finding the reference, I found a couple of things.
Sinistra lent Antonin a book about hypatia , I noticed.
And given Actons history of chasing Antonin and Raz, would they call her a Fox? I doubt it :)
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Date: 2014-04-11 01:59 am (UTC)Re: a comment with actual commentary
Date: 2014-04-11 02:07 am (UTC)Cinderella > Slipper and the Rose > Red flower > Poppy
Or even Rose Red
Anyone want to add any other far out guesses?
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Date: 2014-04-11 02:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-11 02:13 am (UTC)Cordelia Carpenter is CINDERELLA !
How could I have missed it?
Cordelia is the youngest daughter in King Lear, with her unpleasant sisters, Goneril and Reagan.
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Date: 2014-04-11 02:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-11 02:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-11 02:48 am (UTC)Unless you meant this one as seriously as I meant mine earlier, in which case disregard :D
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Date: 2014-04-11 03:15 am (UTC)Goneril and Regan may not have been Cordelia'sstep sisters but they were ugly sisters.
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Date: 2014-04-11 03:23 am (UTC)The Cinderella/ King Lear link is often made in literary circles. Try googling the terms together.
I just think Antonin is an intelligent, educated man and the literary/ mythology links are more likely to be true because they fit more with his character, rather than crude puns.
Now if the players were writing Sirius creating sobriquet for the characters, it could be much more worrying to resolve :)
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Date: 2014-04-11 03:34 am (UTC)Via Alice in Wonderland and the Beatles.
I'd never have thought of this if others hadn't commented on Slughorns resemblance to a walrus.
At this rate we are going to come up with a plausible way to link each alias to all the possible characters. My head is spinning.
a plausible way to link each alias to all the possible characters
Date: 2014-04-11 03:49 am (UTC)Sophia is Septima, because Septima is the only female teacher whose name starts with S.
Sophia is Aurora, because aurora - sunrise - golden hour - gold - wisdom is golden - Sophia
Sophia is Grubbly-Plank, because magical creatures - blast-ended skrewt - burning the candle at both ends
Sophia is Acton, because Gwendolen - "holy ring" - church with domes - Hagia Sophia
...I'm stumped for Poppy, though.
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Date: 2014-04-11 03:55 am (UTC)I can't find any other meaning or nuance.
Minerva seems an obvious candidate but surely no one else can be Sophia.
So can any one else fit? I am lost.
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Date: 2014-04-11 04:01 am (UTC)"I have been concentrating on those who were contemporaneous with the eponymous Phoenix."
and then later: "Mary-Quite-Contrary and the Fox are two of the staff she is most charitable towards; they are likely the best place to begin, even if the Fox is a rather newer addition."
So anyone who became staff after the Voldemort took over probably qualifies.
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Date: 2014-04-11 04:03 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-11 04:07 am (UTC)Ironically, given my inability to find a funny way to link Sophia and Poppy, "burning the candle at both ends" and being unwilling to discuss anything other than "administrivia" could fit Poppy, and she was contemporaneous with Dumbledore.
Re: a plausible way to link each alias to all the possible characters
Date: 2014-04-11 04:12 am (UTC)Dolohov is a master of many languages. Could Brutka be the Eggman?
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Date: 2014-04-11 04:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-11 04:20 am (UTC)Re: a plausible way to link each alias to all the possible characters
Date: 2014-04-11 04:22 am (UTC):)
Re: a plausible way to link each alias to all the possible characters
Date: 2014-04-11 04:40 am (UTC)~ the player who came up with most of the code names
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Date: 2014-04-11 04:45 am (UTC)Re: a plausible way to link each alias to all the possible characters
Date: 2014-04-11 04:55 am (UTC)Brutka is a redhead so is a Fox. Need I say more?
Bathsheba married David and gave birth to Solomon, widely considered the wisest ruler, hence the book of Wisdom.
She is therefore the mother of Wisdom > Sophia
Irma Pince > I am Prince (ss)> Cinderella
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Date: 2014-04-11 05:05 am (UTC)But I can't come up with a single sane option.
Re: a plausible way to link each alias to all the possible characters
Date: 2014-04-11 05:10 am (UTC)A slughorn is an ancient war cry and Acton is a type of armour they must be meant for each other?
Sorry, I forgot what game I was playing ;)
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Date: 2014-04-11 12:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-12 12:49 pm (UTC)