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[identity profile] lapin-agile.livejournal.com
I love that Pansy is asking questions about how Mudbloods and Muggleborns are treated.

I love that these Slytherin kids are asking about what Magic is, where it comes from, whether it's a zero-sum game, and how children born of non-magical parents could manifest magical abilities. I love that the questions died out for a while but are cropping up again in a new mind.

And I love that Lucius has to say that the Department of Mysteries is studying how Muggles steal magic for their children: he can't muster an explanation based on "facts" that are already in circulation.

Oh, yeah, and 'Think about it, Harry': you tell him, Pansy!!




ETA. Oh, dear. Lucius concludes the comments with a response to Bellatrix: "I have no idea whence [Pansy] has conceived the notion to be so impertinent, especially on such a fundamental matter, but I will deal with the child - and find the source that is tempting her to perfidy." Cue witch hunt (as it were).
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"If you've got a good reason it's not evil, right?"


That seems to be the question of the week. Ever since Sirius posted his Grim Truth (or perhaps since they met Hermione and Boot and started to see how they were treated), students have been struggling with fitting this new information into their view of themselves as good, moral people. It's funny, because by raising these kids to believe that this twisted system is good/moral (and therefore teaching them to value morality rather than things like power and money), the society is actually setting them up for a crisis of faith.

Book-Slytherins knew that they and their families were thought of as "bad" by some and had sort of internalized that perception (while also having their own personal justifications for why they did what they did, like money or power or preserving pureblooded wizard lines). They already knew that some of the means to accomplish their goals were going to get people hurt. They knew that some people disagreed with them and they were used to blocking out criticisms and arguments from the other side. They had a developed a thick skin and a stubbornness about their beliefs.

In this world, though, even though the Slytherins *act* more callous in many ways, they may actually be more open to persuasion from the Order. They are not used to hearing arguments against their way of thinking (since people who openly argue are in jail, or are at least kept away from Pureblooded children), and so they are listening to them instead of blocking them out. They are not used to being thought of as cruel or bad by anyone, so when they hear that they stop and think about how their actions fit with their idea of right and wrong. They do not have certain goals that they want to achieve by any means necessary; their top goal, again, seems to be being good people.

Over the next couple months, I predict most students will take one of two paths. Some will forgo rationalization and just decide to have faith in society (believe Hermione's blood is brown), and then block out all further opposition or outside influence. Others are going to have a major overhaul of belief systems, and start agreeing with a lot of what they are hearing from Sirius and Hermione. Will there be a middle option, where some people just stay in a state of confusion and uncertainty for months and months, or where they change some minor beliefs but keep the major ones the same? It will be interesting to see the path that each kid takes.

P.S. Welcome, Ginny!
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[identity profile] lapin-agile.livejournal.com
Perhaps one of you pieced this together immediately. I haven't.

In the comments on [livejournal.com profile] alt_mcgonagall's 17 September Order Only post, Molly Weasley asks McGonagall if Lucius Malfoy asked to see "the book" during his visit to the castle. McGonagall responds: "As for the book - no, he did not. I believe we've duped him - at least this year."


Thoughts?




Aside: the question has been raised (on the previous thread) whether to start threads for each separate topic or whether this community risks developing too many simultaneous conversations. My vote is for making new posts for each separate topic (and for fresh rounds of speculation on old topics after they've lain dormant for a while). I find this helps me navigate the community if I want to find what someone said on a particular issue. For what it's worth (and in anticipation of the day when it becomes an issue for us), I also think it's helpful to keep threads from collapsing to outline by starting a new post to continue the ongoing conversation.

Mudblood

Sep. 17th, 2008 07:12 am
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[identity profile] lapin-agile.livejournal.com
This is an absolutely devastating conversation on Theodore's journal -- I find it completely plausible that a group of boys would think and act in just these ways and that their curiosity would drive them to draw blood. (I love that Draco, at least, is afraid to get himself bloody.)

They aren't sure their experiment was conducted properly -- maybe they'll need to try again.

*shudders*

The gut-punch is this thread.

Ouch.

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