Hm. I recognize I'm in the minority here, but I'm not feeling this is so cut and dried, and I'm not feeling robustly sympathetic to Siz.
To start with, it would be different if Barty had been left to die in the Forest, abandoned and untreated. Or if he had been evacuated and then allowed to die in Order custody through neglect or abuse. He wasn't. He was dead. Yes, his corpse was left behind when Hydra, whom he had nearly killed, was evacuated. He was dead on a battlefield of his own choosing. In centaur territory, not Order territory.
Fast forward to Evelyn. Okay. There's a treaty that supposedly covers the repatriation of remains. It hadn't been invoked by Dolohov. Evelyn contacted him on her own behalf and deliberately did not tell her side she'd done so. If Dolohov thought he was being offered an official all-clear to collect his dead, he was mistaken (and kinda dumb).
If Dolohov wanted to invoke the treaty, he should have contacted Alice or Remus or maybe Rachel or even, maybe Madam Pomfrey, to ask that they send Barty's remains back or allow him a truce to go collect them himself. Maybe they'd have said okay. Maybe they'd have said: 'Okay, we won't interfere with you, but we aren't going into the Forest for you, and we can't speak for what the Centaurs might do to you because they aren't party to that treaty, and... we think they might have reasons to be hacked off that Crouch picked their Forest as a place to stage a really horrendous Dark duel in. So, you know, good luck with that.'
And then Sinistra... What's with the flouncing at Alice? In what sense has she not had support from the Order? They aren't brainwashing her to hate the people she has relationships with on the other side. I think they may even be lending protection to the members of her family who aren't Order-sympathetic, and Alice has never demanded that she cut ties to Dolohov. I really think the 'I'm going elsewhere to find what it's clear I can't find here' was unwarranted. Try flinging that sort of line at Bellatrix and see what the Order offers its partisans that the other side does not, you know? Meanwhile, Siz has been given resources and personnel and encouraged to use her expertise to work on really important projects that have contributed crucially to the Order's mission, and she has been recognized for that work. And she's been not only allowed but encouraged to mentor promising young members to work with her... Including Alice's own daughter. That's not a sign that she's been marginalized and treated as a pariah or has had her accomplishments neglected. I just...
I get that Siz is distressed about Dolohov, and that she feels many conflicting emotions, and that comes across richly in what she's said. (Well done, player.)
I don't think, however, that Siz has grounds for being upset at Alice and the Order in this case.Yep, Rachel authorized an ambush on Dolohov when Hydra found out what Evelyn had done and kept secret. But no one, not Evelyn, not Dolohov, had invoked the treaty to cover his attempt to repatriate Barty's remains. And if he's used the situation to manipulate Siz's emotions to set her against Alice et al? That's an excellent attack strategy on his part. Dovs 1, Order 0. Actually Dovs 2, Order 0. (Today is Ginny's birthday.)
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Date: 2015-08-11 08:20 pm (UTC)To start with, it would be different if Barty had been left to die in the Forest, abandoned and untreated. Or if he had been evacuated and then allowed to die in Order custody through neglect or abuse. He wasn't. He was dead. Yes, his corpse was left behind when Hydra, whom he had nearly killed, was evacuated. He was dead on a battlefield of his own choosing. In centaur territory, not Order territory.
Fast forward to Evelyn. Okay. There's a treaty that supposedly covers the repatriation of remains. It hadn't been invoked by Dolohov. Evelyn contacted him on her own behalf and deliberately did not tell her side she'd done so. If Dolohov thought he was being offered an official all-clear to collect his dead, he was mistaken (and kinda dumb).
If Dolohov wanted to invoke the treaty, he should have contacted Alice or Remus or maybe Rachel or even, maybe Madam Pomfrey, to ask that they send Barty's remains back or allow him a truce to go collect them himself. Maybe they'd have said okay. Maybe they'd have said: 'Okay, we won't interfere with you, but we aren't going into the Forest for you, and we can't speak for what the Centaurs might do to you because they aren't party to that treaty, and... we think they might have reasons to be hacked off that Crouch picked their Forest as a place to stage a really horrendous Dark duel in. So, you know, good luck with that.'
And then Sinistra... What's with the flouncing at Alice? In what sense has she not had support from the Order? They aren't brainwashing her to hate the people she has relationships with on the other side. I think they may even be lending protection to the members of her family who aren't Order-sympathetic, and Alice has never demanded that she cut ties to Dolohov. I really think the 'I'm going elsewhere to find what it's clear I can't find here' was unwarranted. Try flinging that sort of line at Bellatrix and see what the Order offers its partisans that the other side does not, you know? Meanwhile, Siz has been given resources and personnel and encouraged to use her expertise to work on really important projects that have contributed crucially to the Order's mission, and she has been recognized for that work. And she's been not only allowed but encouraged to mentor promising young members to work with her... Including Alice's own daughter. That's not a sign that she's been marginalized and treated as a pariah or has had her accomplishments neglected. I just...
I get that Siz is distressed about Dolohov, and that she feels many conflicting emotions, and that comes across richly in what she's said. (Well done, player.)
I don't think, however, that Siz has grounds for being upset at Alice and the Order in this case.Yep, Rachel authorized an ambush on Dolohov when Hydra found out what Evelyn had done and kept secret. But no one, not Evelyn, not Dolohov, had invoked the treaty to cover his attempt to repatriate Barty's remains. And if he's used the situation to manipulate Siz's emotions to set her against Alice et al? That's an excellent attack strategy on his part. Dovs 1, Order 0. Actually Dovs 2, Order 0. (Today is Ginny's birthday.)