That, or he's talked to Bella. (ah, I should clarify that I've been assuming Bella made contact with disembodied!Voldemort, and that's why she's been being so mysterious and wanting to talk to people.)
And, re: your second statement, I was somewhat suprised to discover reading that that I'm actually not terribly concerned about Selwyn himself, oddly. Considering he seems to have just pulled off a plot to overthrow the LP, I think I'd be more so, but... (I am rather concerned about his family.) And I am very very glad Bill has Minerva watching his back. Hopefully she'll be able to get him out of this alright.
(I am also seriously worried by the fact that the wedding hasn't been delayed--that makes me wonder if whatever imminent explosion we have is going to happen there. --though it isn't in May, so maybe not.)
Your theory has some merit (Bella and d!V). I'm just rather surprised that Selwyn went off on his own without Lucius and Barty if he is the instigator of this plot.
Thanks. It was making sense to me--I would expect more things getting blown up (figuratively or literally) elsewise.
And-- You seriously think he could talk them into helping? --well, maybe Lucius, but...
And yeah, I wondered for a while if whatever he was plotting was something else, especially with his PM to Magnus immediately after the fact, but the evidence seems to be pointing at him.
Having killed Higgs wouldn't be enough by itself, obviously--his story was plausible. And he could have been planning something else there involving Higgs. But his yelling at Yaxley after Barty's post kind of sealed the deal for me.
I'm kind of curious to find out if I'm right. And if so, how they pulled it off.
Theorizing is fun, even when you're not right. And--wow, Selwyn is sending a lot of messages.
...what exactly is he up to? Is he still trying to get a message to Lucius, and if so, what? He seemed pretty desperate to do so earlier. (And what does that have to do with Barty telling Lucius to stay away from Selwyn?)
He clearly doesn't want to say it on the journals, so...
[chinhand] I almost want to say he might be trying to get Lucius in on his conspiracy and get his help--which is quite a risk to take, but they're in a pretty bad place as it is. (Stars, even worse than they know, because Voldemort isn't dead-dead.)
That, or that he's trying to kill Lucius, in which case, I really don't like that he's having Bill take whatever it is. Even more than I did already. [bites nails]
Oh, good thought on the whole body part stew as the outcome of this. I was assuming that Barty had collected a few members of Selwyn's faction and was referring to them as parcels or valuables prior to torturing them because he's Barty Crouch and that's what he does. (Which, in turn, is making me chew on my nails as I worry about Bill and Arista and even Maghnus.)
Thanks; always glad to be of service by mocking Voldemort! (And, of course, thanks for the deliciously twisty plotlines and your ruthless and competent villains.)
(I mean, you'd think Barty would know if they had Selwyn's journal? Which means... what? --I don't think they have automated messages implemented in the journals.)
--I don't particularly care about Selwyn himself (beyond the larger repercussions of this)--but I do seem to care about Chloe, Arista, and her brother (have we been given a name for him? I don't remember). I'm going to blame Siz's posts about their interactions for most of the worrying about Chloe. And the kids are... kids.
(Speaking of Siz, I am seriously curious about what's going on in Raz's head at the moment, after what Hermione said here.)
I know it makes me a bit of a loon, but I'm still hoping that Lucius has Selwyn's journal and posted and that his hands were not quite as clean in this plot as he made them out to be. He was the last one to go into Selwyn's office, after all. Speaking of Selwyn's co-conspirators, how deeply was Yaxley actually involved? I had thought he was really part of the faction, based on his involvement with Higgs' meeting and Selwyn's PM, but then Tonks mentioned him, so it would appear he is at least alive. And semi-unrelated, but I had a good laugh at Bill's use of the Imperius defense and Lucius' use of the Obliviation defense. I mean, probably it was more true here than of Lucius in canon, but I still giggled.
Ooooh. --that would be interesting. I was thinking someone who was at the ritual might have had a chance to grab and use it, but Lucius wasn't one the of people I was thinking about. I'm not sure if Barty's latest post supports or contradicts that theory. [bites nails]
I'm not sure. I guess we'll see?
...heh, I hadn't thought of that. --also, I didn't know Oblivation broke when the caster died. --or does it, actually?
Barty's latest post is a puzzler, for sure. Now I'm wondering if Dumbledore somehow managed to get in there? I mean, it would be insane... but insanity is sort of his M.O. If the Selwyns arrive at the Order's door-step all trussed up, a la Ridley, we'll know it's him. Also, I keep seeing parallels to Sarah Fawcett's "death" which maybe lends more credence to an order member (McGonagall or Dumbledore?) I suspect all of this is wistful thinking, though, because I really really don't want the kids to have died. I keep thinking of the Fleets and Selywn with Sophie's little brother.
You know, that probably shouldn't be plausible at all, but it kind of is. I just don't know how he would have gotten Selwyn's journal. --also, wasn't he with Harry immediately after... eh.
Hm. Minerva could probably have pulled it off--or, stars, given Dumbledore the journal--but it would be risky. (Also, curiosity, what parallels are you seeing?)
And--yeah. Actually, I was wondering earlier if that was part of the reason this happened.
Yeah, I mean I think if Dumbledore pulled it off, I'd chalk it up to his crazy time/space-traveling and appearance-altering super-powered ways. I admittedly haven't read the Ridley section in a while, but I don't think I ever fully figured out how he got her out, either. The parallels with Sarah are the fact that there's no body but there are bits of blood and cloth to make it look like there was a struggle, just as Perks did in the Forest. And the fact there there's no evidence of how they exited--I mean, if the floo wasn't used (which is making me think of Umbridge's "death"!) then they'd have to all be... Side-Alonged while Petrified? Or while dead, I guess. I guess I'm just hoping that this May, the fashionable trend is to fake-die and leave no body! (Sidebar: Pansy made me crack up with her gentle prodding at the fourth wall.) I mean, I think the rest of the posts today will likely clear things up a bit but right now, my mind is just whirling as I try to find a way out of this mess for Chloe and the kids.
It's pretty much explained in Harry's post at the time--he apparated into the meeting (somehow), grabbed her, and apparated out. --to be fair, I don't know how he found the place, but there apparently weren't apparation wards (Voldemort called everyone there a little later), and he does-- I just remember Dumbledore has a time turner.
I also just had an odd thought re: it being faked (since we're doing WMG anyway)--I think Narcissa was the first person to respond to 'Selwyn''s post (to it happening, not the post itself). And after Lucius had specifically told her not to help Chloe or the kids if they contacted her, and tell Barty immediately. It's probably unlikely--I don't know how she would have gotten the journal, for one, unless she had help--but she wasn't known to be doing something for more of the relevant period than anyone else we've brought up, and she definitely would have a motive--I seem to remember Chloe and her being friends. --it's fairly implausible without her having a way to get the journal and somewhere for them to hide, but if it was a plot on that side to get them away, I wouldn't be terribly suprised if she was involved. Or if Chloe came to her for help. /ramble (Also, yeah, if people are going and fake-dying, they should at least put together some fascimle of a body.)
And, yeah. I'm hoping for the best, and that post seemed a little suspicious (Barty's I mean) in terms of them actually being dead--it's not definite, but. Bill can at least flee to Grimmauld or Moddey. Though I'm worrying about him being at the wedding before things are more settled.
Yeah, I have a sinking feeling that one of my least favourite outcomes--e.g. one of Selwyn's co-conspirators lured out Chloe and the kids to tie up loose ends as to his/her involvement--is more likely than the happy-ending Order-saves-the-day outcome. Still, I do like to imagine Lucius and Narcissa ceaselessly scheming in Malfoy Manor because it seems like the sort of thing their marriage would be built on! Scheming and snarking. And a love of Draco. I guess with Narcissa, though, I would wonder if her loyalty to Chloe would ever outweigh her loyalty to Barty. As for the Weasleys, I'm most worried about Ron. His second message to Arista was so painfully Gryffindorish and I definitely don't want him to lock eyes with Bellatrix by accident.
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Date: 2013-05-31 06:44 pm (UTC)That, or he's talked to Bella. (ah, I should clarify that I've been assuming Bella made contact with disembodied!Voldemort, and that's why she's been being so mysterious and wanting to talk to people.)
And, re: your second statement, I was somewhat suprised to discover reading that that I'm actually not terribly concerned about Selwyn himself, oddly. Considering he seems to have just pulled off a plot to overthrow the LP, I think I'd be more so, but... (I am rather concerned about his family.)
And I am very very glad Bill has Minerva watching his back. Hopefully she'll be able to get him out of this alright.
(I am also seriously worried by the fact that the wedding hasn't been delayed--that makes me wonder if whatever imminent explosion we have is going to happen there.
--though it isn't in May, so maybe not.)
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Date: 2013-05-31 06:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-31 07:28 pm (UTC)And-- You seriously think he could talk them into helping? --well, maybe Lucius, but...
And yeah, I wondered for a while if whatever he was plotting was something else, especially with his PM to Magnus immediately after the fact, but the evidence seems to be pointing at him.
Having killed Higgs wouldn't be enough by itself, obviously--his story was plausible. And he could have been planning something else there involving Higgs. But his yelling at Yaxley after Barty's post kind of sealed the deal for me.
I'm kind of curious to find out if I'm right. And if so, how they pulled it off.
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Date: 2013-05-31 07:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-05-31 09:48 pm (UTC)...what exactly is he up to? Is he still trying to get a message to Lucius, and if so, what? He seemed pretty desperate to do so earlier. (And what does that have to do with Barty telling Lucius to stay away from Selwyn?)
He clearly doesn't want to say it on the journals, so...
[chinhand] I almost want to say he might be trying to get Lucius in on his conspiracy and get his help--which is quite a risk to take, but they're in a pretty bad place as it is. (Stars, even worse than they know, because Voldemort isn't dead-dead.)
That, or that he's trying to kill Lucius, in which case, I really don't like that he's having Bill take whatever it is. Even more than I did already. [bites nails]
...I'm rambling. Sorry.
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Date: 2013-05-31 10:37 pm (UTC)So who is the enemy and who gives up a limb?
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Date: 2013-05-31 10:46 pm (UTC)I was assuming that Barty had collected a few members of Selwyn's faction and was referring to them as parcels or valuables prior to torturing them because he's Barty Crouch and that's what he does. (Which, in turn, is making me chew on my nails as I worry about Bill and Arista and even Maghnus.)
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Date: 2013-05-31 10:52 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-06-01 06:37 pm (UTC)For the win!
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Date: 2013-06-01 11:28 pm (UTC)(And, of course, thanks for the deliciously twisty plotlines and your ruthless and competent villains.)
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Date: 2013-06-01 06:01 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2013-06-01 06:10 am (UTC)(I mean, you'd think Barty would know if they had Selwyn's journal? Which means... what?
--I don't think they have automated messages implemented in the journals.)
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Date: 2013-06-01 06:35 am (UTC)Gah, I don't even care about the parents so much, but I really want Arista and her brother to survive.
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Date: 2013-06-01 06:44 am (UTC)--I don't particularly care about Selwyn himself (beyond the larger repercussions of this)--but I do seem to care about Chloe, Arista, and her brother (have we been given a name for him? I don't remember).
I'm going to blame Siz's posts about their interactions for most of the worrying about Chloe. And the kids are... kids.
(Speaking of Siz, I am seriously curious about what's going on in Raz's head at the moment, after what Hermione said here.)
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Date: 2013-06-01 12:49 pm (UTC)Speaking of Selwyn's co-conspirators, how deeply was Yaxley actually involved? I had thought he was really part of the faction, based on his involvement with Higgs' meeting and Selwyn's PM, but then Tonks mentioned him, so it would appear he is at least alive.
And semi-unrelated, but I had a good laugh at Bill's use of the Imperius defense and Lucius' use of the Obliviation defense. I mean, probably it was more true here than of Lucius in canon, but I still giggled.
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Date: 2013-06-01 06:36 pm (UTC)I'm not sure if Barty's latest post supports or contradicts that theory. [bites nails]
I'm not sure. I guess we'll see?
...heh, I hadn't thought of that. --also, I didn't know Oblivation broke when the caster died. --or does it, actually?
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Date: 2013-06-01 06:46 pm (UTC)Also, I keep seeing parallels to Sarah Fawcett's "death" which maybe lends more credence to an order member (McGonagall or Dumbledore?)
I suspect all of this is wistful thinking, though, because I really really don't want the kids to have died. I keep thinking of the Fleets and Selywn with Sophie's little brother.
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Date: 2013-06-01 06:53 pm (UTC)Hm. Minerva could probably have pulled it off--or, stars, given Dumbledore the journal--but it would be risky. (Also, curiosity, what parallels are you seeing?)
And--yeah. Actually, I was wondering earlier if that was part of the reason this happened.
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Date: 2013-06-01 07:02 pm (UTC)The parallels with Sarah are the fact that there's no body but there are bits of blood and cloth to make it look like there was a struggle, just as Perks did in the Forest. And the fact there there's no evidence of how they exited--I mean, if the floo wasn't used (which is making me think of Umbridge's "death"!) then they'd have to all be... Side-Alonged while Petrified? Or while dead, I guess. I guess I'm just hoping that this May, the fashionable trend is to fake-die and leave no body! (Sidebar: Pansy made me crack up with her gentle prodding at the fourth wall.)
I mean, I think the rest of the posts today will likely clear things up a bit but right now, my mind is just whirling as I try to find a way out of this mess for Chloe and the kids.
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Date: 2013-06-01 09:29 pm (UTC)I just remember Dumbledore has a time turner.
I also just had an odd thought re: it being faked (since we're doing WMG anyway)--I think Narcissa was the first person to respond to 'Selwyn''s post (to it happening, not the post itself). And after Lucius had specifically told her not to help Chloe or the kids if they contacted her, and tell Barty immediately. It's probably unlikely--I don't know how she would have gotten the journal, for one, unless she had help--but she wasn't known to be doing something for more of the relevant period than anyone else we've brought up, and she definitely would have a motive--I seem to remember Chloe and her being friends. --it's fairly implausible without her having a way to get the journal and somewhere for them to hide, but if it was a plot on that side to get them away, I wouldn't be terribly suprised if she was involved. Or if Chloe came to her for help. /ramble
(Also, yeah, if people are going and fake-dying, they should at least put together some fascimle of a body.)
And, yeah. I'm hoping for the best, and that post seemed a little suspicious (Barty's I mean) in terms of them actually being dead--it's not definite, but.
Bill can at least flee to Grimmauld or Moddey. Though I'm worrying about him being at the wedding before things are more settled.
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Date: 2013-06-01 11:43 pm (UTC)I guess with Narcissa, though, I would wonder if her loyalty to Chloe would ever outweigh her loyalty to Barty.
As for the Weasleys, I'm most worried about Ron. His second message to Arista was so painfully Gryffindorish and I definitely don't want him to lock eyes with Bellatrix by accident.