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[adeliej]

Antonin's recent post, while fascinating, confused me quite a bit on my first readthrough.

Looks like, thanks to the ever confusing DoM organisation, he doesn't really know who was there, apart from (mainly) those he fired spells at.

The first line utterly confuses me. Help?

I'm reading the rest of the first paragraph as notation of which spells he hit them with (though could possibly be some reference to which rooms they were in? Probably not, but it's what I thought at first): Bonefire for Hydra looks pretty self-explanatory, given that she felt like her fingers were broken. Nihil sensorum (lit. nothing of having-been-perceived in Latin, so something causing lack of sensory function, I guess?) was what he hit Justin with, though why Justin was screaming I don't know. Just a particularly nasty side effect of the curse, I guess.

"w/B" is one thing where I have very little idea what it's meant to mean.

Infidi ("I have cut/ploughed a path into" seems like the most likely Latin translation) would be what he attacked Sally-Anne with. I'm guessing it has the same effect as stabbing someone with something sharp.

The next section looks fairly straightforward, though I'm quite amused with him thinking Linus Moon was helping. Those initials confused me a lot at first. (Especially since LM usually refers to Lucius Malfoy. The idea of him acting as distraction for them was rather odd.)

And of course, he is very confused as to the logistics of it. I don't think I want him investigating the destination of it all anymore than he has already. Fingers crossed.

Comments

[ridicully]

I think the first line is him trying to figure out who the lookout was.
As he doesn't know about Hermione he's listing all witches he knows to have a connection with the core group (or thinks might have a connection re:Ginny)

[adeliej]

That'd make sense. I'd boggled at a bit of the abbreviation there, so you noting he realised the lookout was a witch makes it make a lot more sense.

[teceler]

It took me a bit to puzzle out the abbervations there, even after reading this--I think the list is Ginny, Luna, and Evelyn.

I'm going to pause for a moment here to comment on how I find it interesting that he didn't consider Susan at all. Why?

--also, we have a lot of people with last names starting with L, which I hadn't really realized before.

[capericious]

It is interesting--I guess I don't have a handle on how much Susan hung over with the ISS outside Teatime of the Strange? Especially with all of Umbridge's crazy rules this year.

It's also interesting that he DID consider Ginny. While Dolohov prides himself on his ability to read people--and is certainly quite good at it--he apparently hasn't read the relationship with Ginny and the other Weasleys all that closely or noticed that they really don't move in the same circles--and that Ginny has been quite vocal in the past year about feeling abandoned and has come to him with her naked ambition. Perhaps he believes too strongly that family/blood demands loyalty and that's blinding him? That could also be why the Weasley twins made it on.

[teceler]

Yeah, I suppose she hasn't. But he brought up Neville and Evelyn and the twins, who weren't and the wedding, and Susan was, and disappeared part way through, abet supposedly being sick, so... I wondered.
I suppose I should just be grateful he didn't even think to think about Hermione.

Ginny and Luna only made it on the list when he was considering who might have been the lookout, which was interesting (he brought up Evelyn again when he was thinking about who else might have been involved). I think, yeah, it was partly the family loyalty thing--he has--yeah.
I mean, he hasn't given Neville and Evelyn trouble over the possibility of them having loyalty to their parents--maybe because they mostly grew up away from them and haven't shown any signs of it?
The twins made sense (though I'm surprised Lee didn't make it on there with them, if they did). Ginny--I wonder if he though she might have been dissembling? Or just that this was the sort of thing she might get pulled into anyway? --or even if he was just brainstorming people with connections to the ones he knew?
(Speaking of Ginny, I'm kind of curious to see if she eventually gets drawn into that circle. She's shown signs recently of having the potential to work with them, but they don't seem to entirely trust her, for obvious reasons.)

[ellemir]

And Linus and Cedric did act as distractions back at the wedding, to cover for them. He has obviously been reading journal entries very carefully.

[adeliej]

More carefully than me, it seems! I thought it was just Cedric and Katie.

[alt_player]

And at this point, Linus is in trouble with Lav for parts of the in-journal distraction that did not actually happen.

[ellemir]

Could w/ B be with Barty? As they were the ones who were chased off by Barty and didn't directly challenge Dolohov.

I considered it could mean whereabouts as he knows they were part of Linus , Cedric and Katie's distraction posts and wants to work out where they are, but I think the Barty reference is more likely.

ETA : while I still think the above is most likely, could also be a ref to working the Bracelet trace, as only someone in same social circle as Selwyn was likely to know how.

[(Anonymous)]

I must say, his notes to himself are much easier than the Carrows'. :) Though it took me longer than it should have to figure out HL.

(qwerty88 - don't have a dw account atm)

[kiya]

Aw geez, his prayers for Selwyn made me all teary. (It doesn't hurt that he and I are kinda-sorta co-religionists in some ways so he's speaking my language....)

[(Anonymous)]

Do we have what Selwyn's final request of him was?

(qwerty88 again)

[kiya]

I'm guessing from context that it's something to do with his family, and led to Dolohov AKing Chloe to release her from her suffering.

[capericious]

Did Dolohov go into the room with Chloe? Based on his conversation with Barty, it looks like he visited the center room (with HG), the Death room (with PP/SAP/Hector) and the Time room (with HL/JFF) but that he never went into the room with RW/LL/Arista or the room with Chloe before Barty said he was coming back.
I actually did interpret what happened as Barty maybe putting Chloe out of her misery, not out of spite but out of kidnness? Although maybe not, he may simply have getting information out of her and found out about the kids and then she died on her own.
I am so, so curious as to why he willingly left with Tosha at that point, though, despite knowing Arista and Hector were still somewhere in the DoM!

[teceler]

Lupin's writeup (I'm assuming based on what the ISS told him), says that "Having subdued all but a handful that managed to remain hidden, Crouch and Dolohov killed Chloe Selwyn and then inexplicably left".
I remember wondering why they killed her when I read that--it made more sense with Dolohov's post this morning.

On Barty: I'm not sure, beyond 'Tosha asked him to' (I'm fairly certain he knows that Tosha knows more than he's saying--and there I go changing what I'm calling him again--it was fairly obvious, after all--but I'm not sure what exactly he thinks Tosha knows.)
I think that might have something to do with wherever they went when they left for a bit.

[capericious]

OK, I guess I was ranking the conversation between Barty and Dolohov as being more reliable than the exposition from the ISS to Lupin, since they weren't actually able to see what was happening and were probably in a bit of pain/panic that might have clouded their perception.
I agree that it makes more sense for Dolohov to have killed her (and ties nicely back to when he told Seamus, after the Dark rite, that if someone has to die, then better that they die quickly than in agony.)

That said, if Dolohov had promised Selwyn that his family, particularly his children, would not suffer unduly for his mistake, then maybe that was what he made good on by letting the ISS go free? Not causing harm to innocent magical children could be a matter of scruples.

I also found it a nice little touch that when he writes his last message to Selwyn, he describes Selwyn's choice only as "ill-advised". No moral outrage for Dolohov!

Finally, yeah, I am looking forward to finding out where they went--perhaps to find out who brought the Selwyns in?--and what Barty did on his side investigation when they came back for Chloe's body.
(And call me crazy, but the fact that Dolohov says "we" when talking about getting Chloe's body back gives me hope that Barty supported the idea of not leaving her there for the DoM, even if only out of spite.)

[teceler]

Yeah, but we didn't really have much in the way of conversation at the point after they'd subdued most of the ISS. I think that this probably happened after they met up again.
And yeah, it does.

Yeah, I think that was part of it. I think he might have also done that for Selwyn's kids even if Selwyn hadn't asked specifically--I remember his response to Sarah's 'death', and I think because of Selwyn's (former) place Doholov would probably consider Arista and Hector to be under his protection anyway. But I'm not sure.
Considering I think he was refering the the DoM staff as 'vultures', though...

Yeah, and that makes me wonder what exactly is going on in his head, especially re: Narcissa's revelation about Lucius. It could easily just be a matter of honor/respect for Selwyn, but there are possibilities, there, too.

That would make sense as a possibility. I'm kind of curious to find out what their investigation ends up turning up.
(Well, Barty doesn't appear to have the best opinon of the DoM either. --and I'm not going to call you crazy, because he does say we. And I do think that if--well, she's dead, she wasn't even involved in the main plot, and she was part of their circle, if only by extension--if Doholov wanted to give her some final respects, I doubt Barty would object.)